Predator Hunting (In Loving Memory of Jackie Owens pt 2: A devoted wife, skilled hunter, and inspiration to all who knew her)

Join host Alex Rutledge for Part 2 of "So You Want to Become a Predator Hunter" featuring Eddie Owens, in loving memory of Jackie Owens. Broadcasting live from the 2026 ATA Archery Trade Association Show in Indianapolis, this episode delivers essential knowledge for anyone looking to start predator hunting.

What You'll Learn:

Equipment Essentials:

• Why your deer rifle is already perfect for coyote hunting
• Top electronic call brands: Ecotech, Fox Pro, Lucky Duck, Johnny Stewart, Western Rivers
• The advantages of handheld calls over electronic calls in cold weather
• Shotgun setup for fox hunting: 12 gauge with BB and #4 buck loads

Calling Techniques:

• How to avoid "booger barks" that alert coyotes
• The difference between challenge howls, lonesome howls, and invitational howls
• Why rabbit distress calls work for targeting bobcats without scaring them off
• Woodpecker distress as an effective alternative call

Hunting Strategies:

• Best times to hunt: first/last 2-3 stands of the day during twilight hours
• Stand duration: 15 minutes for coyotes, 30-40 minutes for bobcats
• How far to move between stands (quarter to half mile)
• Using MRI (Most Recent Information) from farmers and mail carriers to locate predators

Advanced Tips:

• Cold weather tactics and why early morning hunts are most productive
• Caliber selection for preserving pelts
• Scouting methods using tracks, scat, and trail cameras on road-kill bait sites
• Fox behavior and home range patterns

Plus: NFL playoff predictions, high school basketball updates, and a bonus venison recipe for slow-cooked shoulder meat!

Whether you're a complete beginner or looking to refine your predator hunting skills, Eddie breaks down complex techniques into simple, actionable steps. Remember: love not hate, teach your boys to become men, and when your roots run deep and strong, there's no reason to fear the wind.

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Transcript

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[00:00:00] I will not lead off of vocals because a bobcat typically won't compete with a coyote. And, and there's been several times where I go in and target a bobcat and wind up killing a coyote. So I mean, there's, you know, you throw out that rabbit distress, you're able to call in anything. But you're, you're also less likely to scare off, whether it's a fox or bobcat, if you lead off the stretch.

Camel boots on my feet, bow in my hand, walking in early Dawn to climb up. Been my stand, Alex. I know it's about food plot planting time. What are you gonna plant this year? Okay. In the spring I like to plant different things and also in the fall, but my go-to all the time is the eagle seed smorgasborg because as a variety of blends, you know, when I was a kid and even as an adult, I loved to go to a smorgasborg.

I bet it's the [00:01:00] same for deer. It is. They, they have a variety to choose from. Instead, eating one thing all the time. They got a bride just like you walking into a restaurant. Get smorgasbord today and you'll hold more deer and Turkey. How can I go about getting that smorgasbord to go to a dealer near you or go to ww dot eagle seed.com wise?

I present. Welcome to American Roots Outdoors. I am at the a TA show with 12 point Hunting Blinds, and I'm here with Jason Lap. Jason Lap wants to tell you. Hello. Hey everybody. How you doing Red Bone? I'm good. How you doing, Jason? All good. Good to hear your voice again. Yeah, same here, man. It's been a while.

It has been. I'm getting ready to climb up inside of the octagon stand. It's about seven foot high here. I'm climbing the ladders. I'm speaking to you right now. And the reason I'm going there, it's quiet up here. It's kind of like a little private office red bone. Okay, well, so I'm gonna go up here and I'm about seven to eight foot [00:02:00] up.

Yeah. And I'm gonna close the door. You can tell the tone change

now. How clear am I? Yeah, boy, I tell you, you can tell the difference. I can hear no outside noise whatsoever. Somebody just left this shooting blind. I met 'em coming down. They must have farted in here. It stinks.

Well, that's terrible. It's terrible. Hey, uh, wanna welcome everybody to the show Again, I'm calling via cell phone from the 2026 A TA Archery Trade Association Show, and I'm out here working the show with 12 point hunting blinds and Wise Eye technologies. And this week's show is part two of, so you want to become a Predator Hunter with Eddie Owens in memory of Jackie Owens.

Eddie will be calling in in about eight or nine minutes, but what I want to talk about [00:03:00] right now is part of this and the sports right now, red Bone, the teams that you and I picked are leading their divisions, okay? In what sport? Football. NFL. Oh yeah. Denver and Philadelphia. Yep. And was it the Rams? Uh, no.

Seattle ended. No, the Rams aren't, no. Seattle's Philadelphia. Yeah. Seattle ended up winning that division. Philadelphia, Denver. Yeah. So yeah, playoff start this weekend. A matter of fact, uh, as you folks hear this show on Saturday, there are three games Saturday, or I'm sorry, two games on Saturday. Three games on Sunday and then a Monday night game.

So it's a big weekend for football in the NFL. Yeah. Can you believe the Ravens kicker missed that field goal to win the game? Yeah, I couldn't believe the Ravens were even close. And can you believe that John Harbaugh of the RA of the Ravens got fired yesterday? [00:04:00] Yeah, I saw that. I couldn't believe that Red bone.

I think Harbaugh's the real deal. Well, I think I don't, you know, he had 18 years and they never did. You know, they won a Super Bowl early on, but hadn't won one lately with what many people feel is the best roster in football. So I think it was, uh, a mutual thing that, uh, he decided it was probably time for him to leave and to go do something else.

And the Ravens thought they needed to make a a change too. So, you know, sometimes change is not a bad thing. What is your prediction? Who do you think they're gonna bring in? I have no idea who they'll bring in, but I think Harbaugh will land somewhere and it's likely to be in Las Vegas with the Raiders.

Possibly or Tennessee. Yeah, because they fired their, their head coach too. Yeah. What about Tennessee? Did they, did they let go of that coach? Uh, I'm not sure. There were four let go of yesterday and one day before Stefanki is gone and, uh. [00:05:00] Harbaugh's, the big name. I mean, and Pete Carroll in Las Vegas, he's gone.

Uh, but he was 84 years old. I mean, it's time for him to move on and go enjoy the rest of his life. So yeah. NFL, you know, it's gonna be interesting this weekend. I really can't decide who I wanna pick to win any of the games. Yeah, they're unpredictable right now. They are. The NF L's got so much parity and, and y'all's teams play well, and, and we talked about that last week.

You know, the Atlanta Falcons at one point looked like they might be the best team in the NFL. Now they're not even in the playoffs. Exactly, exactly. It's nuts. Just crazy moving along. College Indiana's still number one. Uh, yeah. And of course we're recording on Wednesday and they played Friday night. So, uh, you know, we'll see if they got 'em a win.

But, you know, I was going with Alabama last weekend and you were sending me score updates. I was watching the game. I didn't respond because I was just getting madder as it went on. But, uh, anyway, anyway, [00:06:00] congratulations, Indiana on beating Alabama, and they're, they're starting to make me a believer. I'm still not a hundred percent sure, but I'm starting to become a believer.

I think after watching last week's games, Miami might be the team to beat. Miami's there for sure. You know, I did text you kind just see how, what your sediments was, uh, with that Indiana. Alabama game. You never did respond. I knew you was upset. Well, I don't get upset, but I was like, man, Alabama just stunk up the field.

Yeah. The whole game. But anyway, yeah. So we move on. Yeah. High school basketball. Girls teams and boys teams, uh, Liberty got taken to school. I mentioned it a couple times by, uh, number one now, bunker Missouri. Yep. And, uh, I'm telling you, we played some good teams and that Hartville took us to school too. I can't wait.

We discussed this. I can't wait to see the game between, uh, [00:07:00] bunker, hopefully and Hartville. I want, I, I think both teams are great and I think Bunker Man. Bunker will play an unbelievable game against Hartville. Yeah. And I don't know if they're, if they're scheduled to play each other or not. And of course Bunker is a class one and Hartville is class two, so they won't meet in the state tournament.

But yeah, that would be an, that'd be an interesting game to watch. And, uh, there's a lot of good teams. And let tell you, you wanna talk girls basketball, it's all about the Donovan Donnette. Oh yeah. They are. They're the defending state champions are undefeated. They beat Thayer Tuesday night by 32 points.

Oh my goodness. Yeah, they're for real. They're the real deal. Makes them so good. Red bone, well, they just got good athletes and uh, they brought 'em along and, you know, they, they got all five starters back from the team that won the state championship last year. So they just got really good talent right now and a good coach.

And, and that's what it takes. So are they a fast breaking team? What, what is their, what is their focus? Yeah, whatever [00:08:00] you wanna do. Really? Yeah, they're that good. They got that much talent. They got great size, they got good guard play. They're, they're as complete a girls team as I've seen in a while.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's awesome. Yep. Congratulations Donovan Donnette, we're all behind you. Good luck. Good luck to all the high school teams out there that's playing games and, uh, tournaments, et cetera. Uh, we appreciate it. And, uh, you know, if you're, you're a fan. Of your high school sports, uh, be sure to message us on Facebook, et cetera.

Let us know who your favorite teams are. Yeah, absolutely. You love, hear from people. Yeah, absolutely love hearing from, from people and, and, uh, you know, the season, we're starting to get into the meat of the schedules now. So, you know, some of the teams will start separating, um, you know, the men from the boys, so to speak, and the, the women from the girls, so to speak.

They'll start separating here before long and we'll get an idea on who is gonna go deep in the state tournament, who might win a district, and things like that. [00:09:00] So, hold on. Yep. Alex, we need to go to break here. And again, Eddie Owens gonna be joining us in just a little bit. This is Brenda Valentine, and you're listening to American Roots Outdoors with Alex Rutledge and friends.

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a big 12 point hunting Blinds presents. Welcome back to American Roots Outdoor segment two of our show. I am Indianapolis. Indiana downtown at the convention Center attending the Archery Trade Association, and I'm up about eight foot in the air in the six by six octagon blind with all the doors and [00:12:00] windows closed, and I can look for over a hundred yards inside of this big Coliseum Convention Center and see people walking below me.

It's pretty cool. I'll take a picture of this guys and let you see it on my Facebook page. We're gonna do part two of, so you wanted to become a predator hunter with Eddie Owens and memory of Jackie Owens. Eddie's on the line. Welcome to the show, Eddie. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah. You calling from Mountain View, where you at today?

I am. I'm in Mountain View right now. So, uh, you guys got a big project going on there in Mountain View. Talk about that with us real quick. Yeah, we've got, uh, about a six and a half million dollar sewer rehabilitation project going on. It was, uh, um, you know, we're, we're working in joint with Missouri, uh, DNR.

It was, uh, uh, SRF loan slash uh, grant, so was at [00:13:00] borrowed money and then they matched it. And, uh, yeah, we're doing some much needed sewer rehab right now. And who's the company you have worked in there? Several companies or one company? Uh, we've got the, the main company, uh, that won the con the contract was Kay jx.

And then they've got a, a subcontractor, uh, called Vision Sewer, doing our, uh, our manhole inspections and our, uh, manhole. Grouting. And they're also gonna be doing some, uh, um. It's A-C-I-P-P, they call it the cast in place liner, um, for our old clay tile lines. Uh, that I'm, I'm kind of anxious for that project to start 'cause I really wanna see that, you know, in, in the process.

Um, but then K JX has been doing the, the digging and replace from manhole to manhole and they've been doing some, uh. Uh, point repairs, you know, uh, compromised spots in a line, dig [00:14:00] it up, patch it, and backfill, and go on. So it's been going pretty smooth really overall. Yep. Well, thank you for giving us an update.

What's going on in the mountain view area. We'll get this thing kicked off. Eddie, uh, show one. We talked about memories of Jackie and, and you and her had a lot of great times together and, uh, we know she's in heaven and we know that she's looking down, smiling right now thinking. There we go, Eddie and Alex talking player hunting.

We always do. But Eddie, to our listeners out there, that's never player hunt. And what the goal here is to educate people how to become a predator hunter. What equipment do they need to start off with? Well, uh, you know, it's something we've touched, touched base on in the previous years. If you already deer hunt, um, then you already have a rifle, because if you, if, if the rifle will kill a deer, it'll definitely kill a coyote.

[00:15:00] Um, so a person doesn't need to go crazy on. Buying a gun specifically for coyo hunting, um, the, the first thing you'd probably wanna buy would be a good, dependable, uh, creditor call. Um, and there's a lot of 'em on the market. I mean, there's, uh, Ecotech, uh, Fox Pro, lucky Duck, uh, Johnny Stewart, Western Rivers.

I mean, you just pretty much close your eyes and point in a direction and find a decent coyote call. And there's a lot of handheld calls too out there other than just a lot electronic, red bone and digital. So, uh, what kind of handheld calls do you use or do you use? Um, I, I try to keep a couple of different, uh, rabbit rabbit distress calls.

Um, so, and the reason I keep a couple of them is 'cause if it's really cold. They'll try to freeze up on you while you're using them Uhhuh. Um, and, and that's, that's when [00:16:00] I found myself needing them the most. When, when your temperatures are, are down in, you know, below 30 degrees, your batteries don't last super long in your, in your taller.

So it's always nice to have those hand calls of the backup and, and the hand calls. I feel like probably have a little bit more of a realistic touch than the, the electronic call, mainly because you're not blowing in things nonstop for five minutes. You know, you have to stop and catch your breath just like an animal would.

Yeah. So, um, it is a little bit more realistic, honestly. Red Mo. Yeah, I, I do have a question. I thought about this all day long because I wanted to get a really good question, Freddy, and my question is, Eddie. If somebody's using a hand call, is there the possibility that they're gonna use it wrong and scare the coyotes off?

You know, you know, Turkey calls, I mean, you can mess up your entire Turkey hunt. If you're not, you know, at least [00:17:00] somewhat good at, at making a Turkey call. Can you do that with a predator call? If you're, if you're blowing a, a rabbit distress call, I don't think there is a wrong way to blow that call. Okay.

Uh, because if you think about it, the sicker it sounds, the more appealing it would sound to that coyote. Sure. Especially if you got an old, an old rundown lazy coyote. Like, I might be able to catch that rabbit, you know.

Now what about, what about, yeah, what about like co you know, locator calls or something, you know, a how or a bark or something. Can you, can you mess those up? Yeah. That is one thing you can't mess up. Okay. Uh, because you know, in order to vocalize with a coyote, you need to be a little bit, a little, you need to have a little bit of an understanding on what those calls mean and, and know the difference between a.

Uh, you know, a yellow how or an invitational how, or a lonesome how, [00:18:00] or a, a challenge. How, because you can challenge how accidentally, if that's not an aggressive coyote, they're not gonna come in. Gotcha. So, and, and a challenge how? Typically it starts off really strong and then has an ABR sock to it, and they might even.

Follow that up with a, a one or two barks. But you want to be careful with your barking too, because if you accidentally throw out a booger bark, then that's just gonna alert all the coyotes in the area if something's not right over there. Yeah. So, but yeah, there, there are ways to mess up, uh, vocalizations for sure.

Yeah. Do you have any calls at your access right now? I do not. I do not. I'm in a, in a new truck and I don't have any of my co calls with me. Okay. Explain what a booger bark is. Explain the different sounds of the booger bark and [00:19:00] simulate them how they should sound, even though you don't have a call. So like your booger bark, A lot of times they'll start off with a, with a short how, and then be followed up with a series of quick barks.

And when they do that. Just a lot of times I'll just kind of wait and see if they continue to bark or if you howl back and then they bark back. The jig is up. Yeah. Um, it's just if you, if you hear a lot of barking Yeah. That, that cote sand is done. Uh, your, your and your uh, uh, challenge house, there won't be very many barks there.

Um, you might get one or two wolves after that. That cut off challenge. How, but, um, a lot of the times I don't get any barks after a challenge. How? Um, and if I, and if I throw out a challenge, how I don't follow it up with barks just because [00:20:00] I don't want them to confuse. You know, I don't wanna cross that line between a challenge and a, and a booger, you know, like a, like an alert.

So like, if I'm, if I'm challenge howling, I'll start off strong and then I'll cut it off short just as I start to break over. And when I say break over, like when you're howling. It'll start off, shut her off. So where in a regular, how you'll keep falling that taper on down and shut her off as she's starting to get, starting to get quiet.

So, um. And with my voice, I just can't already. How, but, uh, but yeah, and, and if I'm, if I'm wanting to, to, uh, mimic a, a loan title in the area that's just looking for company, I'll start off nice and slow with a medium, medium pitch. I don't like to start off as an old male, you know, [00:21:00] I like to start off.

Trying to sound somewhat like a, a, a younger female or a younger male. They sound high pitched. Yeah, they're a higher pitch. You know, you'll start off low, nice and soft,

just kind of a lonesome how, and then I'll wait. Alright, and speaking of, and speaking of weight, we need, we need to get to a break right here. Uh, folks, you're listed and, and don't go away because we got a lot of information coming up here with Eddie Owens talking predator hunting and how to get started.

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so you never worry. Eagle seed presents. Welcome back to American Roots Outdoors, segment three of the show. I'm calling via phone from downtown City of Indianapolis to Indiana at the Ry Trade Association. And on the line is, uh, Mr. Predator Hunter extraordinaire from our area in southern Missouri. Mr.

Eddie Owens in memory of Jackie Owens. And our topic matter is, so you want to become a Predator Hunter? Uh, I, I want this to go out to all the young listeners out there and anybody that hasn't ever predator hunted. It's crucial that we get you guys educated on the right way to hunt predators. This is a great sport.

It's a great way to get you outside and get you out and being motivated and getting exercise when you agree. Eddie, Eddie and Red Bone, absolutely. Yep. That's usually how I depend on [00:25:00] getting my steps in for the weekend. Yeah. So, so, so we talked about hunting cows protocols and we, you explained to us the different sound that they make.

And, uh, you explained that you like to use a, a rabbit sound, uh, in different ways, and you're educating our listeners. Now, what if you just want to target bobcat? Is there a technique just for Bobcats or for, for, for Fox? Explain. Um, so I, if I'm hunting an area where I feel like there's prob, there's a good probability of calling in a bobcat, I will not lead off with vocals.

Um, I will lead off with some sort of a distress, whether it's, you know, there, there is a mountain of different rabbit calls out there. Um, uh, woodpecker distress is also a good one. Hmm. Um, but yeah, I won't, I'll not lead off of vocals because a bobcat. Typically won't compete with a coyote. And, [00:26:00] and there's been several times where I go in and target bobcat and wind up killing a coyote.

So I mean, there, you know, you throw out that rabbit distress, you're allowed to call in anything, but you're, you're also less likely to scare off, whether it's the fox or bobcat, if you lead off with distress, distress calls. So now if I'm, you know. Depending on the time of day, you know, if it's an evening hunt, like maybe the last set of the day.

And I start off with, you know, if it's a spot that looks like it'll hold gray fox or it'll hold a bobcat, uh, I'll lead off with my distress calls. I might do that for 10 or 12 minutes off and on, and if nothing shows up, then I'll throw out and house. So that, and, and if you're, if you're hunting tight cover like that, most of the bobcats I've called up have showed up fairly quickly.

Now, if you're, I know bobcats they say can be a [00:27:00] lot slower to respond, and they are, because they remove, they make its calculated. So if you're, if you're, if you've got plenty of time and you're targeting Bobcat, your stands need to be a little bit longer. Where with a coyote. Is a long stand on a bobcat, you're probably setting at least 30 to 40 minutes on a bobcat stand.

No kidding. I'm looking for every little bit of movement. Uh, well, you know, I've done prayer hunting most of my life, and I've found out the closer you can get to sunset or breaking light that you have better results most usually. What's your thoughts on that? I, I feel the same way. I mean, although I've, I mean, I've killed coyotes in all, all hours of the day.

I've had my best luck, usually like the first two or three stands of the day and the last two or three stands of the day. And I think it's just 'cause they're typically nocturnal animals, so [00:28:00] they're more, they're more comfortable closer to those twilight hours. Um, and you know, like, like the first thing in the morning, they've been out hunting most of the night.

So they're a little bit, little bit more apt to break, cover and come in. Um, and then like when you get closer to the evening, you know, you're getting, you're approaching their typical time to come out and start hunting. So they're, they're just a little bit more comfortable in those, at those times of the day.

Although I, I them across some wide open fields at noon too, so, yeah. Hmm. Alright, so Eddie, lemme ask you this. If somebody wants to get started predator hunting, would you suggest that they start morning hunting or evening hunting? Um, I would say. Honestly, either one. A lot of it depends on their schedule, you know?

Mm-hmm. Because, because it's hard to go wrong with either one. Um, I mean, I, I, I think I like 'em [00:29:00] both equally. I mean, I think I've, I've, I haven't kept track of what time of the day I've killed all my CODOs, but I would say it's kind of a, kind of a toss up between my morning and my evening hunts. The nice thing about the morning hunts is, you know, you, you've got a little more time to make multiple sands where if you're evening hunting.

That sun drops on you before you realize it, you know, and, and in the evening, hun, other times I'll, I'll plan an hour to just go. If I've got a really good spot, I'll, I'll plan an hour and I'll call, I won't call super aggressive. Um, I'll just take my time with it and I've had it pay off. Uh, on a lot, a lot of different occasions.

So if you're looking to cover ground, I would say start hun. But I mean, honestly a lot of it's is whatever your schedule will allow. Sure. Uh, so I mean, there's been several mornings where I'll get up early and go make a [00:30:00] stand killer co and go to work. A lot of that, if I may interject a lot of that too depends on the time of the year and what the weather's doing.

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Like, like. If you got cold front or has an influence. Yeah, it does. It does. It, it has a big influence on how quick they respond because they can, they can send those, you know, weather, weather pattern changes just like any other wild trigger. And if, if you've got a cold front or some nasty weather moving in overnight, make an even stand, you're probably gonna have some luck.

Yeah. I think one more thing we could add to that, and we're talking cowes and we've talked bobcats and what we're gonna talk about segment four is how to hunt fox, the techniques of, of, uh, calling in fox. And, uh, what I wanna share is one of the techniques that I've used before also, and cow hunting, is before daylight is how before daylight to locate where cows may be.[00:31:00] 

Yeah, then it's just breaking light and it's close to daylight. Then I ease in those areas and try to cough from those areas. Eddie. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that, that has been pretty effective, which I am careful when I do that. Um, and I'm, and I'm know people, some people have shopped themselves in the foot because they go in too early.

They might go out the night before and how. A lot of times when they're howling, they might stop and get outta the truck, set the call on the hood howl. Well, while, while they're there, they might be like, man, I need to, I need to take a bathroom break. So they'll make a little wet spot by their tire and, uh, and, or they'll, you know, smoke a cigarette or something like that.

Well, when they leave them coyotes are, are very curious. They're gonna come to that area where they heard that from. Once you leave. All, everything around that just educates them, is what it does. [00:32:00] So I, if I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna make sure I'm ready to go in and hunt that animal as soon as I hear a.

Yeah, I, we gotta get to another break here. Uh, my, my, but I do, if I can get a real short answer. And you mentioned earlier, you know, hunting coyotes, 15 minutes is a long set. How far are you gonna move once that 15 minutes is up or you decide this stuff's not working, how far are you going to move? Uh, well, it depends on the, the setting.

If I'm not in a tournament, I might, I might only move a quarter mile, but if I'm not, I try to cover at least a half a mile. Gotcha. Okay. Good answer. Alright, we back more American Roots Outdoors Radio with Alex Ru and Friends right after this. Hey, this is Eddie Salter and you listen to American Roots. And outdoors with Alex Rutledge and friends.

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The ammunition presents. Welcome back to America Outdoors thing at four of our show again. So you wanna become a Predator Hunter with Eddie Owens in memory of Jackie Owens and Red Bonilla shared some great information to really make it simple for the beginning. Predator Hunter. Yeah, I think so as well.

And, and you know, and I think it's just like when anybody starts any kinda hunting, sometimes you look at it and you can just be overwhelmed. And Eddie has really kind of put it in simple terms and, and made it sound like it's actually pretty simple to get started. You just gotta go do it. Yeah. And I'm, I'm gonna assume Eddie, that the more you do it, the more you're gonna learn, the better you're gonna get at it.

Just like anything else. Absolutely. Now, I, and I wanna say this to you, you know, Eddie had a great point. If you're a deer hunter, you have a, the predator rifle right there. But I think [00:36:00] the smaller the caliber and the type of bullet you shoot these predators, if you decide you want to sell the fur, et cetera, you don't wanna blow big holes in them.

And I want to talk about that, especially when we're getting ready to talk about calling in foxes. And you take more than just a rifle with you, don't you, Eddie? You take a shotgun too and talk about that. I do, I do because, because like if you're hunting Fox, you're typically gonna be getting into some pretty tight, thick cover.

So if you call Fox in, I typically, they're within shotgun range. And, and I usually carry, uh, a 12 gauge, uh, I don't, uh, three inches. I'll shoot, but I'll, I'll usually my first shot out, that 12 gauge is a three inch ity, uh, bb, they tile load. Yep. Um, then I'll follow that up with a number four buck. So, um, the bb my, my opinion is a little more effective at your closer ranges.

And [00:37:00] then if you make a, a marginal shot on it and it tries to get away, you can follow it up with a number four buck, which carries energy a little bit farther than that BB does. Yeah. So, yeah, and if you're targeting Fox, you're gonna wanna be shooting either a, a really. Explosive bullet that doesn't pass all the way through, or you're gonna be wanting to shoot a smaller caliber, like a 17.

Uh, I, I've never, never really predator hunter with a 17 HMR, but like a 17 Super Mag or something like that. Something that will hit poke through the hide and detonate before it comes out the other side. So if you're looking to stay fur, you want a, a light bullet that explodes quick or a shotgun. Yeah.

Yeah. So, so now we know about the different calibers and what to shoot predators with. Uh, I want to talk about hunting fox. Do you want to target fox? How do you find the heirs that have Fox in? Do you look for the tracks? Talk about the [00:38:00] scouting methods that you use to find these predators. Um, yeah, I mean, tracks, tracks and SCA are, are great, uh, scout methods.

Uh, I also try to use something that. I don't know how many people on here are familiar with Randy Anderson, but he uses a term called MRI and it's uh, it's not the MRI we're used to. It stands for most recent information. So if you can talk to farmers, uh, school, bus drivers, male carriers, people that are out and uh, steam these critters, that's probably the best form of scouting that a person could ever do for predators.

Yeah. And probably, yeah. And with that being said, Eddie, what, what kind of range does a Fox have and what is its home range gonna be? Um, my, my experience with Fox, they, they've had a lot shorter range than Coyote and Bobcat. Bobcat tend to make really big [00:39:00] circles. Coyote, they may range, you know, when. I mean, we've had Fox right there around our house for years, and usually if I see them a half a mile away, that's a long ways from their den.

Uh, I, they're, I will say I haven't studied Fox like I have studied coyote. Sure. Uh, so they might range farther than that and, and I don't know how, how far their, their young ones will go once they kick 'em out of the den, but, uh, but I've had, you know, pairs of fox. Dinning right around the house multiple years in a row.

So I, I feel like once they set up a home turf, they're not gonna stray too terribly far. Okay. And I ask that because if you ask some farmer or or, or a bus driver or somebody like that and they say, well, I see this fox over here by this road, you know, in this particular area, then pretty good chance that Fox is gonna be close to that place where he was seen.

I, I wanna add something to finding predators [00:40:00] that, uh, I think's a great technique, and I've heard guys share this, Eddie, and you may have done this before, drive the highways and find road kills dead deer or whatever. And if it's a impress that killed deer and it's not stinking, of course, they may take these and put 'em out at sites to attract COEs.

And they set their, their wise eye cameras up on these predators and let them know where the predators are at. It would be a great way if it's legal for a com, a predator hunt to, to county secure predators in the areas that you're gonna hunt if you would do that before the hunt. I, I have done that in the past just, uh, to see what kind of critters I had in the area.

Uh, and I, I had a few coyotes on there. I had probably more eels than buzzards than anything else. Um, but I actually tied, I changed that critter to a stump and put a camera on it just to see what I had coming in. Now, it's not legal for all the tournaments I've ever hunted, but if a person's not hunting a tournament.

I don't think [00:41:00] there's anything intubating a predator. I mean, that's how you travel, so. Yeah. Um, but yeah, um, that is, that is pretty good in, you know, a way, pretty good way to see just what kind of predators, what kind of craters you have in that area. See how dense the population is. Yeah. Especially if you're using the wifi that sends it to your camera, your, your phone instantly, or your iPad or your computer and you know where to go.

Kind of like a goblin Turkey in a strut zone, in a food Flo, if you run wild wise. You've got cameras over these dead animals that you've put out in different areas. Well, I need to go over there. That's where a cow's at right now. And set up and call there. Think about that. Yeah, it does work. Uh, but yeah, that's good stuff.

Red bone right there. That is good stuff. And you know, we've come to the, the end of the radio show here. I know we're gonna do a bonus segment, uh, again with Eddie and what we're gonna talk about in the bonus segment here, Alex. I want to talk a, again, some more just to recap pretty much of what we talked [00:42:00] about in the bonus segment and just hit the main bullet points of this and also possibly share another recipe, uh, of a dear recipe or Turkey recipe for our listeners.

And again, I want to thank Annie for being a wonderful guest. This has been a two part series and I hope it's, it's educating our listeners red bone to want to become a predator honor. We need more young kids. In the outdoors, getting involved in this great sport, this great creation God has given us. I would agree 100%.

I wanna go in. I know you gotta go to a break. I just wanna appreciate you guys for the opportunity last weekend for me to share what I got to share. Um, yes sir. That meant a lot to me. There were so many positive comments I saw everywhere. People loved it, Eddie. Yep. I'm glad. Yep. Well, anyway, I wanna say this.

Thank you again. Eddie Owens in memory of Jackie Owens. Uh, again, she's down, looking down and from heaven and smiling and, uh, [00:43:00] love, not hate. This world's what we need. And teach your boys to become men. Teach your girls to become ladies. Find Jesus. And when your roots run deep and strong, everybody, there's no reason to fear the wind.

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and now arms presents. Welcome back to America Roots Outdoors. This is our bonus segment and we are talking about the different type of, of guns to use and predator hunting. We talked about the right equipment to get started with from A to Z through the first four segments. What we're gonna do is do a little quick recap, probably three and a half, four, five minutes of this what we just talked about segment one, we talked about equipment to get started with.

I'm repeating, I know, and how to find these predators. And the [00:45:00] locations to call these predators from the types of weather, et cetera, on a cold day. I'm changing gears a little bit here. On a cold day, what are the signs and, and what is your favorite time to the hunt during extreme cold weather? Say 30 degrees and and colder.

Eddie? My, my favorite time is first thing in the morning. Yep. Red bone. And why would that be Eddie? I would agree. Also, red bone. That and Eddie, that the mornings would be good for extreme cold weather because they've been out all night long. They feel safer in the dark red bone Eddie and trying to find food.

Yeah, so I would agree with that. Red bone. Okay. Well that's why I, I was asking 'cause I, I've not predator hunted, but I could see where early morning on a, on a cold day, because we've all been rabbit hunting. And what do those rabbits do when it gets really cold? They just kinda sit in one spot and shake.

So. Yeah. Yeah. And those coyotes know that those rabbits are gonna be easier to catch that way. [00:46:00] So Yeah, I could see, I can see that happening. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like, oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Eddie. Oh, I was gonna say, and, and just in, in my theory, I figure if they've been out hunting all night, if the ground is froze, they can't really dig for, for mice and whatnot.

So if they've been out hunting, they haven't had a real successful night of hunting. When you, if you can slip in with the wind right, and, and get set up, you know, within two or 300 yards of one and you throw out a dying rabbit, that's just bring the dinner bell for 'em. So that's kind of my, my theory behind the, the early, early morning.

So, all right, so, uh, early mornings when it's really, really cold, and, uh, if you wanna hunt evenings. What about an hour before sunset, you said? Yeah, yeah. Usually about an hour before dark. Uh, if you have, you know, more than one place you wanna hunt that evening, you know, I'd give it, I'd start about an hour and a half before my flight.

You know, make your, [00:47:00] that, that gives you time to, to slip in quiet, get set up, make your, you know, make your stand. You're calling, you know, ten, fifteen, twenty minutes, Greg, you call back out and get you your next spot, because that's what I think. It's what has gotten me in the past is you, you don't, you don't realize how long it takes you.

To drive from point A to point B and then get all your stuff and then slip in because you want to go in quiet. Just like if you're near in Turkey hunting. Mm-hmm. You don't want every, everything in the country to know that you're there. So you slip in, get set up, set your call out, get back, set your rifle up.

I usually try to give it two or three minutes of silence before I ever turn that call on, just so everything settled down. Then I'll start calling nice and quiet and start ramping my volume up and just kind of fluctuate my volume from there on out. Sounds simple enough. Alex? Huh? Yeah, I said no, I'm here.

Oh, okay. I hit my mute button. Pushed, I apologize. Oh no, not a problem. But [00:48:00] yeah, what I was saying is the sites that Eddie goes to, to call to it's areas that he's scouted, he knows those signs there. So he is not assuming, uh, when you assume it's kinda like a goblin Turkey, if the turkey's not goblin, you're gonna assume the gobblers are, unless you're using Wise eye cameras or somebody's seen that gobbler.

So to be a successful predator hunter, you gotta know where the game is at. You do, you do. You gotta, you gotta do your homework. You know, a lot of times what I like to do is if, if we can catch a little skiff of snow, I'll, uh, I'll load it my side by side and I'll drive to that farm and I'll just drive around, spend the day, like if it's kind of windy, not really good for calling.

Just drive around on side by side because a lot of farmers got four wheelers inside the side. So kind's not gonna talk a lot about that. Drive around and look for sign, look for scat. Uh, trying to figure out what directions they're going at, what times that gives you a little bit of an indicator of where they're holding up for the day.

Yeah. So, and it's, and it has paid off that. [00:49:00] Give us the recipe, give us another cool recipe. Red bone, Eddie. Oh. Well, one of the, one of the things we, because when I grew up, you know, we grew up hunting, hunting, white tail. Um, we always cut steaks outta everything that'd make a steak. And then anything that wouldn't make a steak, I always went to Grinder.

And, uh, the last few years we just kind of got to experimenting with, with our grinding meat and like our shoulders. And this is something that people, you know, there may be a ton of people out there that do this, but like our front shoulders. Instead of grinding them up. And some people, which is insane to me, some people don't even save the front shoulder so they don't like to grind.

But we'll take those front shoulders, you know, we'll cut the, cut the leg off and we'll, we'll take it off, you know, unjoin it, we'll, we'll separate that front leg and throw it in a crock pot. And, uh, slow cooked that thing overnight and that, I mean, that shoulder meat just [00:50:00] falls apart. You can put it in whatever you want.

You know, you can dice up some carrots, throw some onions, celery in there, whatever you want, throw some, some dressing in there and some broth. It's a pretty good meal. It is a pretty good meal. Or, you know what I would do with that, Eddie, is I would, once all that meat started falling off the bone, I got it all together.

I'm gonna put it back in the crockpot and I'm gonna fill that crockpot up with barbecue sauce and let that simmer for about an hour. And then I'm just gonna eat. I'm gonna eat. Pulled deer sandwiches. Yep. Yep. We have done that with our canned deer meat before as well. Oh, absolutely. Drain that off. Off.

And they just shred that up. Mix some barbecue sauce with it. And you got, yeah, like you said, barbecue, pulled beer sandwich. Yeah. And fried some potatoes, onions, and we gotta wrap it up. We gotta wrap it up here. But, uh, I'm, again, I'm a in the six by six octagon blind here. And my [00:51:00] good friend from Telco Outdoors just come up here to sit with me and, uh, this guy's an absolute awesome cook.

He's in Mexico. Tell him what you cook for us down there. You remember that? I did. I cook. He cooked breakfast. Did you cook some, you had some salsa you eat crazy over and you call that was a salsa that, that Turkey breast. Oh yeah, I'll fried up the Turkey breast. Tell 'em how you've done it real quick. Oh, I just, uh, added it up and some, uh, uh, flour and milk and, and then, uh, put that, uh, tenderers, uh, tenderers.

That's it. Sweet heat, sweetie. Uh, seasoning on it and then cooked it in the cast iron skillet real slow, you know. Might have made some gravy. I think that was the best meal we had while we was there. Everybody was gone so quick anyway. And all my listers in Arkansas, if you've killed a Turkey city, more Turkey, I missed.

Yeah, Richard wasn't gonna kill one. [00:52:00] I killed one. I missed He got, he owned that and said, I gonna kill one how to do it. But anyway, Richard's one of my best friends, man. We're standing up there at the six foot octagon. We're looking across the pool. We can see over 150 yards probably. Uh, the traffic is is very slow.

It seems like Richard four day show, four day show. But now we're getting to see some great things and what a great show today. Eddie, again, I want to thank you for being a great guest and again, in memory of Jackie Owens Red Bone. What a great lady. And we know again for the third time, she's in heaven looking down, smiling.

But I'm proud of you, Eddie. She said Eddie Hill is gonna be okay. We'll see each other again, brother. You got people that love you to support you, Eddie. Yep. Yep. It's important. I mean, thankfully for that, because if I didn't have that and I didn't have God, I dunno where I'd be, I'd be in a pretty dark place.

Yep. Yep. Remember this, [00:53:00] everybody love, not hate. Teach your boys to become men, your girls to become ladies. Find Jesus, Jesus' love. And when your roots run deep and strong, and Eddie, I'm raising the trade of the wind. There you have it everybody. God bless y'all.

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